Artanis wrote: ↑
First of all, I might surprise you all but I do agree on the one thing you said (don't be affraid I still disagree on all the other points you made. Wouldn't be funny otherwise xD ):
This kind of plays is indeed
Crow wrote: ↑[...]just insanely annoying [...]
to break through.
But I don't think it is in need of a nerf. For 2 reasons :
- People who does that have to invest Tons of minerals in defences AND upgrades (for their defences.) witch delays their ground army from a very VERY large amount of upgrades. You seem to have insufficient understanding of the game to even understand this topic therefore i suggest you do refrain from contributing to it. (to point out what you can't seem to understand is that these players don't CARE and don't NEED their army anymore)
- It is usually played in no sudden death mode. witch is not the most popular one. And by nerfing this very specific strat only applyable in a specific mode, you will affect the standard game (even if it's not that much of a change). I am a big fan of non-sd mode but i prefer playing it skilled and not retarded, furthermore I am very well aware of the changes to the standard mode and these are very much intended
It might sound stupid or not relevant to you (I can get that) but if you do this kind of fixes once you've done it 3-4 times, all the little changes you made will end up affecting the game (and not only the no SD ones) Oh it is so nice of you to point that out, I am sure noone was aware of that, but just to be clear, the base defences used to me much weaker, but you know that aswell ofc
You might think : "Fuck this guy, he only disagree cause he uses this a lot." Not really, I would rather refer to what i wrote in my first paragraph
I did used it once or twice (like every other strat in the game (almost) to see his benefits and how people react to it. )
Thing is, it was in deed very funny to see the guy that rolled all over you the entire game sends army after army dying on your defences cause he is too dumb to understand that defences are not worth to die on. That is if you are against noobs; a good player will have to wait until sd and basically afk until then or if in non-sd mode will have to WASTE hours against this because the strength this strat has compared to the (non existing) skill it takes to execute is far out of proportion
And even back then it was not a viable strat. Cause YEAH you are a pain in the ass to kill for anyone in the game.
But by doing so you also doom your self to loose that same game. (cause defences can't kill bases.) And also defences have a max upgrade that is reachable way sooner than the max upgrades for units. witch means that at some points (even if your opponent don't think too hard and still apply the same strat as he did the entire game (like upgarding marines of merc) he will gets through. (maybe 2 hours later xD but he will ^^) "maybe two hours later but he will" that is exactly the point....for any highly skilled player it will take ages to break your noob strat, this is not fun for a player and simply very tedious to do, it is like if you would take another game lets say, dota/ league of legends, and make the final base towers oneshot everything that does not have fullbuild and maxlvl -> alltho the enemy team might already have won the game if they pushed so far, the loosers can sit back and make the other team farm for 30min until they can break the base. -> you would fix the base (if I may refer to my first paragraph again)
You are trying to nerf a play that cannot win the game. Therefore I'll be curious to see how this topic ends x)
and that is exactly why it has to be nerfed; noone deserves to be a pain in the ass if he CANNOT win the game, see another good option would be to kick anyone from the game who upgrades his base def too much according to your suggestion, right? since they can obviously not win the game anymore
I might suggest like a different thing to solve your problem :
Allow people that are not interested of a no sudden death marine arena to don't play it.
(witch will be not that easy to do)
I don't think people are that close to their stats (cause many players resets it quite often) but maybe by not loosing any rank points by leaving in the early game.
But it will create an other issue : if half players leave the game cause it's a no sudden dath one... It's no more the game player witch voted for wanted to do...
Maybe set the mode selectable in the lobby, then you could choose witch kind of MA you wanna play. (because it is true that 2-3 hours are a lot of time and if you only wanted to play a last 60 min SD marine arena, and gets trapped in a no SD... You might not get any fun of it)
I agree, let's change the whole game and while we are on it lets patch World of Warcraft too right? how about making star craft 3 while we are on it already? I am glad you already found one of the many flaws of your suggestion yourself so noone has to point that out.
Refund of the voting system, that's my contribution for this topic.
( Sry Devs I know my option isn't the easyest one xD )